Honda VFR1200X Crosstourer

Main Crosstourer Discussion Boards => Crosstourer - General Discussion => Topic started by: ojo on November 11, 2011, 10:08:47 PM

Title: Pros and Cons
Post by: ojo on November 11, 2011, 10:08:47 PM
First I must say that I really like the design, Crosstourer got a very "attractive look" she's gona be a great looking girl  :002:

Other pros are Power, Torque, Suspension, Spoked wheels ... wow  :152: ... DCT? ..dont know yet but this sounds good.

Personally I think there are some cons too: first the weight with 275kg (285kg DCT) ..that is really on the upper end for a "cross" Tourer. But that would depend on the general balance as well. We got to have a compromise here.

Personally I would rather have seen a chain drive instead of shaft drive.  It's where you got to divert torque two times for 90 degree to get it finally to the back wheel. That is gona loose some power. Shaft is heavier too, but on the other hand probably less service. 

Fuel tank Capacity with 21.5 litres ... come on this is a little bit ridiculous, I mean we are talking about a "Tourer" here. But what can we do ... got to live with this.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Pros and Cons
Post by: Freaky on November 14, 2011, 02:22:01 AM
Agreed! She is a good looking gal. Lots of comment that its copying GS but that beak serve as an air scoop for the radiator. BTW if that design is prooven, why not integrate it. Rite....

I beleive Honda will distributr the weight evenly so it would be an effortless, enjoyable ride. Just like my current babe XV1000V Varadero, looks HUGE bit very nimble when ridden.

The fuel capacity is much dissapointing, wonder how far can she go. Wish it have all the gizmos that conserve fuel without compromising torque and performance.
Title: Re: Pros and Cons
Post by: Giovannino on November 14, 2011, 03:43:18 PM
I am agree with you about the fuel capacity.
With 16,2 or 16,7 (DCT) kms per liter the range is around ~320 kms with a full of gasoline.
But weight is the same of the last Varadero ABS, weight is centralized and the seat is a little bit narrower than Varadero, so I think that the handling will be great and will be much easy to park it!
Title: Re: Pros and Cons
Post by: ojo on November 14, 2011, 04:13:45 PM
Hi Giovannino ... great to know from first hand info somebody actually sat on the bike. I envy you .... sitting on the bike there  :013:  not fair  :006:
Title: Re: Pros and Cons
Post by: Giovannino on November 14, 2011, 06:23:00 PM
*Originally Posted by ojo [+]
I envy you .... sitting on the bike there  :013:  not fair  :006:


 :150: :150:


It's a small priviledge of Crosstourer Club Italia, dear Ojo!  :821:
Title: Re: Pros and Cons
Post by: Strider on November 14, 2011, 11:26:25 PM
I Like most of the bike, I wasn't sure about the large box shaped luggage system Honda have gone for. Its a shame they didn't make a luggage system that looks more attractive. Cant wait for the NEC bile show. anyone know if we will be able to sit on the bike - Hope its not just on a turn table 
Title: Re: Pros and Cons
Post by: Freaky on November 15, 2011, 03:45:43 AM
*Originally Posted by Giovannino [+]
*Originally Posted by ojo [+]
I envy you .... sitting on the bike there  :013:  not fair  :006:


 :150: :150:


It's a small priviledge of Crosstourer Club Italia, dear Ojo!  :821:

Sir, could you post pics of yourself on the bike.

Thank You
Title: Re: Pros and Cons
Post by: Giovannino on November 15, 2011, 08:31:37 AM
(http://www.abbarruiti.com/VCI/forum_image_gallery/img/big/1321345858Varadero_Club_Italia.jpg)
Me and new Honda Crosstourer
Title: Re: Pros and Cons
Post by: Giovannino on November 15, 2011, 08:36:41 AM
(http://www.abbarruiti.com/VCI/forum_image_gallery/img/big/1321346158Varadero_Club_Italia.jpg)
Akrapovic ready!
Title: Re: Pros and Cons
Post by: Giovannino on November 15, 2011, 08:40:32 AM
(http://www.abbarruiti.com/VCI/forum_image_gallery/img/big/1321346326Varadero_Club_Italia.jpg)
Lovely risers and TCS (Traction Control System) and spotlight switchs
Title: Re: Pros and Cons
Post by: Giovannino on November 15, 2011, 08:41:29 AM
(http://www.abbarruiti.com/VCI/forum_image_gallery/img/big/1321346466Varadero_Club_Italia.jpg)
Varadero Club Italia president
Title: Re: Pros and Cons
Post by: Giovannino on November 15, 2011, 08:42:17 AM
(http://www.abbarruiti.com/VCI/forum_image_gallery/img/big/1321346510Varadero_Club_Italia.jpg)
Crosstourer Club Italia president
Title: Re: Pros and Cons
Post by: ojo on November 15, 2011, 09:44:38 AM
... WOW ... fantastic first pics  :031: thanks Giovannino!
Title: Re: Pros and Cons
Post by: Giovannino on November 15, 2011, 10:55:45 AM
*Originally Posted by ojo [+]
... WOW ... fantastic first pics  :031: thanks Giovannino!


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Title: Re: Pros and Cons
Post by: Murdock on November 15, 2011, 01:21:10 PM
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Title: Re: Pros and Cons
Post by: Freaky on November 16, 2011, 05:40:49 AM
Simply Awsome!!!!  :046:

Thanks Giovannino  :028:
Title: Re: Pros and Cons
Post by: Giovannino on November 16, 2011, 07:27:48 AM
*Originally Posted by Freaky [+]
Simply Awsome!!!!  :046:

Thanks Giovannino  :028:


 :821: :821:
Title: Re: Pros and Cons
Post by: kellytk on November 16, 2011, 01:29:42 PM
Giovannino,

Well done!

Was the sitting position comfortable?

Did the seat seem inordinately high when mounting the bile?

Thanks for the brilliant pictures.

Thanks,
Kelly
Title: Re: Pros and Cons
Post by: Giovannino on November 16, 2011, 01:46:49 PM
Seat is height 85 cm (33.46457 inch).
I am tall ( :008: ) 171 cm (67.32283 inch) and my Varadero seat is 83,5 cm (32.87402 inch) but is larger than the seat of Crosstourer, so it's easier to put one foot on the ground! :)
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Title: Re: Pros and Cons
Post by: Murdock on November 16, 2011, 03:30:01 PM
 :047: :046: :152:
Title: Re: Pros and Cons
Post by: Freaky on November 17, 2011, 03:19:26 AM
 :062:  Thats is a VERY useful information....  :037:
Title: Re: Pros and Cons
Post by: kellytk on November 17, 2011, 11:59:05 AM
Giovannino,

Did you notice any suspension adjustment?

Thanks,
Kelly
Title: Re: Pros and Cons
Post by: Giovannino on November 17, 2011, 12:07:13 PM
I am not sure about mono shock absorber, but fork should be preload adjustable.
More infos later! :)
Title: Re: Pros and Cons
Post by: Murdock on November 17, 2011, 12:58:12 PM
From Honda Site:

http://www.hondaitalia.com/modelli/moto/ct1200c (http://www.hondaitalia.com/modelli/moto/ct1200c)

Front 43 mm inverted telescopic fork with adjustable preload and rebound damping
 Rear Pro-Link with gas-charged shock, adjustable preload and stepless extension
Title: Re: Pros and Cons
Post by: Giovannino on November 17, 2011, 01:20:06 PM
Good job Murdock! ;)
Title: Re: Pros and Cons
Post by: kellytk on November 17, 2011, 01:28:29 PM
Murdock,

Thanks for locating the information.

Kelly
Title: Re: Pros and Cons
Post by: ojo on November 17, 2011, 01:38:12 PM
... amazing, you italian folks always ahead of the infos  :024:  .... how comes that .... ;-)
Title: Re: Pros and Cons
Post by: Giovannino on November 17, 2011, 01:51:26 PM
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Title: Re: Pros and Cons
Post by: Murdock on November 17, 2011, 02:57:18 PM
Matter of luck  :152:
Title: Re: Pros and Cons
Post by: Freaky on November 18, 2011, 02:24:06 AM
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Title: Re: Pros and Cons
Post by: Captain Scarlet on December 01, 2011, 08:35:22 PM
"Lots of comment that its copying GS but that beak serve as an air scoop for the radiator"
... the GS is synonymous with creating the 'beak' look on adventure bikes. Only it didn't - it's an urban myth. Suzuki where there years before BMW, with the DR650/750 BIG, for instance. It's a bit like the line "Play it again Sam"was never said in Casablanca; or James Cagney never saying "You dirty rat" in any movie he ever made. It still takes some convincing by some folk!
 :001:

Tank capacity is 21.5 litres. Out of all the current Adventure-Tour, Adventure-Sport and Dual-Sport bikes, only the Super Tenere beats it by a mere 0.5 litres! So maybe we shouldn't criticise Honda specifically for this, but more the undesirable industry move towards smaller tanks whilst seemingly doing nothing (BMW F-series aside) to improve fuel economy? I don't need (the weight especially of) 30 litres in my tank, but I do think 25 litres would be about ideal, providing circa 200 miles before low fuel light. I predict those rack-strap one-gallon plastic re-fuel tanks are going to do good business in 2012!
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Title: Re: Pros and Cons
Post by: ojo on December 01, 2011, 09:55:35 PM
*Originally Posted by Captain Scarlet [+]
"Lots of comment that its copying GS but that beak serve as an air scoop for the radiator"
... the GS is synonymous with creating the 'beak' look on adventure bikes. Only it didn't - it's an urban myth. Suzuki where there years before BMW, with the DR650/750 BIG, for instance. It's a bit like the line "Play it again Sam"was never said in Casablanca; or James Cagney never saying "You dirty rat" in any movie he ever made. It still takes some convincing by some folk!
 :001:
How true  :028: .... yes that beak most probably serve as an air scoop for the radiator on Crosstourer! But it sure does not on BMW ... ;-)  !

However, CrossTourer does have "the beak" peek out much more decent, kind of cheeky looking too doesn't it  :029:
Title: Re: Pros and Cons
Post by: Freaky on December 02, 2011, 02:17:55 AM
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Title: Re: Pros and Cons
Post by: Captain Scarlet on December 21, 2011, 01:43:37 AM
SLACK...
Chunky
Not a USA '12 model
Spoked wheel cleaning

GOOD...
Prettiest looking
Finish quality
Component quality
V4 masterpiece
Powerful
Most torque
Std exhaust looks good
Tubeless spoked wheels
Candy paint
LED indicators
Shrouded clear clocks
Title: Re: Pros and Cons
Post by: Freaky on December 21, 2011, 03:15:11 AM
*Originally Posted by Captain Scarlet [+]
SLACK...
Chunky
Not a USA '12 model
Spoked wheel cleaning

GOOD...
Prettiest looking
Finish quality
Component quality
V4 masterpiece
Powerful
Most torque
Std exhaust looks good
Tubeless spoked wheels
Candy paint
LED indicators
Shrouded clear clocks


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Title: Re: Pros and Cons
Post by: ETV1000RIDER on December 21, 2011, 10:31:14 AM
I believe that this bike is great in all aspects.
I also admit there was no reason for the beak... the same design as it is without the beak still looks beautiful for me...... Also I agree 25ltrs tank would have been perfect and the bike for me would have been flawless !!

But she still is my dream bike !.... I only have to find the dosh to be able to make it true....  in 2013 ? maybe....

Patience