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Totally agree with the last post. When manufacturers are developing a bike with less sophisticated suspension, they tend to go for a stiffer setup for adventure bikes or softer for cruisers etc. The CT's suspension is on the stiff side for its intended purpose. Carrying weight and traversing undulating surfaces at speed.
It seems to me that the front fork compression damping is too hard/stiff. This means that over sharp bumps they jar and seem to flex rather than absorb the bump by allowing the forks to compress.

Spring rate always has to be a compromise as it's not something that can be adjusted (only replaced). It is either ok for your weight or it's not. Pre-load has nothing to do with spring rate. That simply alters the ride height. However, for me, the spring rate is probably ok.

The trouble with damping is it needs to be balanced between compression and rebound. Whatever you are trying to achieve with suspension, both need to be in balance. If e.g. the compression damping is very low, but rebound is very high, it will act like a ratchet over repeated bumps so the suspension compresses down and becomes very hard, until there is sufficient gap between the bumps and there is time to overcome the high rebound. The inverse can also be true.

As I said, the damping of both strokes needs to be balanced. That doesn't mean 'the same', just balanced to work together in harmony.

Therein lies the problem. With any cheap/budget suspension with only one damping adjustment (rebound on the CT), it is going to be impossible for the majority of riders to achieve the 'balance' they require.
*Originally Posted by Friday [+]
Why does the Crosstourer’s suspension (especially, the front) come in for such frequent harsh criticism
Is that based on reading reviews on the internet or your personal experience?  How does it feel to you?  I didn't find the forks particularly terrible but the damping and springs seem mismatched.  I had the rebound damping completely closed, clockwise, and the rebound speed still seemed too fast. 
I ended up using a higher viscosity, BelRay 15w oil which slowed down the springy feeling on rebound.  The forks feel very acceptable now, whether I'm taking long runs on the highway or riding it hard in the twisties.

I thought the factory shock was just ok, the rebound damping responded more noticeably to adjustment than the forks but the spring felt soft and compression damping felt harsh.  I bought a replacement YSS shock and like it a lot, it has a combined adjustment knob for both compression and rebound and the adjustment is very responsive, I add 1 click for more sporty riding where I want it firmer or back off 1 click for a more plush highway run.
With stock settings, the fork action on my 2018 CT felt very hard and non compliant and especially at lower speeds on rough, undulating surfaces. My approach was to back off the preload and rebound to near zero and she now feels fine under all conditions. It maybe that the forks were specified for much harsher use than most of us put the bike to. I don't think you'll ever achieve anything near a soft setting with the stock forks, but you can achieve an acceptable degree of comfort with good performance.
Crosstourer - General Discussion / Re: Side Stand Lengths X v F ?
« Last post by BiKenG on Oct 01, 2023, 06.07 pm »
First of all, the F side stand is approx 1.5" shorter than the one on the X. Also, the former is cast/forged, whereas the latter is fabricated from steel tube.

Regarding switching off the bike, whatever the dealer says, I doubt it will make any difference in the long term. However, using the kill switch means 2 operations as after doing that, you still have to turn off the ignition, so seems no point to me. Why not just use the ignition in the first place.

I would add that the 'kill switch' was introduced as an emergency measure. An easy way to quickly stop the engine as all bike have one that works in the same way and is in the same place. Ignition switches however can vary between manufacturers and even models and perhaps precious time might be lost trying to figure out how to turn off the engine. Hence the standardised kill switch.

So it was never intended to be used as THE way to turn the engine off. That's what the ignition switch is for. However, if you want to use 2 switches every time, I guess whatever floats your boat.  :008:
Crosstourer - General Discussion / Re: any member had a ride on a nc750x
« Last post by hoppicker on Oct 01, 2023, 04.14 pm »

Maybe he finally realised that Honda is better 😂

He has an F900 GS as well. Its got to have one of the noisiest engines I have ever heard. When I tried it I found it very bland. no character at all.
Thought I'd mention here, although an old thread, that most Hondas have Showa forks, but both versions of the VFR1200 use Kayaba forks.

May be a coincidence, but seems significant to me.
Suspension, Forks, and Chassis Set-up and Mods / Re: Shorty Brake Lever
« Last post by BiKenG on Oct 01, 2023, 03.02 pm »
I really like ASV levers and have fitted them to several bikes for both brake and clutch and no problems at all with their 'shorty' type as the very ends of long levers tend to not get used anyway.
*Originally Posted by Wardg2 [+]
Are the tyre sizes the same or did you have to swap tyres when you used the vfr f wheel?
In answer to this question, the F rear wheel is a lot wider than the X wheel and takes a much wider tyre.

There is no straightforward bolt in front cast wheel in normal road going size (17 x 3.5). Anything will require modifications of one sort or another.
Crosstourer - General Discussion / Re: any member had a ride on a nc750x
« Last post by Dogfm on Oct 01, 2023, 02.38 am »
*Originally Posted by hoppicker [+]
Comparing bikes is always subjective. I have a 2014 CT and a 2017 750cc Integra, both DCT. One has nearly 130 BHP the other about 54 BHP so thats the first thing that can't stand proper comparison. I can't say I like one more than the other as they are so different. What I can say is they are both very good in their own way. The CT, as we all know is a big juggernaut of a beast, that eats miles effortlessly. The Integra is a great commuter machine, as my son in law, (not a biker), showed by racking up 25,000 miles in 20 months without any problems at all. Having said that I did a lot of miles on my previous 700cc Integra touring the Alps and Dolomite's in the company of 3 GS's. I would not wanted to have done that with a pillion though. The engine characteristics of the NC series bikes take some getting used to. They are long stroke motors that are at their best at lower revs than most bikes. I find this more relaxing to ride with. It can also be very deceptive when you look down at the speed to find you are going a lot faster than the feel of the engine is telling you,you are. I am not surprised a lot of people who ride any of the NC range for the first time find them under whelming. The NC series also carry their weight low down which helps with rider confidence. A mate of mine, a GS owner, rode my 700cc Integra and the folowing day bought one. He still has it 9 years later. The GS and the Integra weighed within a couple of Kilo's of each other, but to push them around off the stands was a revelation. I know which one he was happier getting in and out of his shed.
Maybe he finally realised that Honda is better 😂
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