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CrossTourer vs Competition (Differentiators / Stats)
« on: November 29, 2011, 01:48:14 AM »
We all have individual buying criteria. Our preference might be for say: a well built, shaft-drive, liquid-cooled, 1000cc plus bike with at least a 20 litre fuel capacity, strong power to weight ratio, decent spec at a fair price, for instance. Hopefully the following info helps narrow your choice based on personal preference.

Segmentation (based on my own observations only):

Segment:   Adventure-Tourer
Vehicles:    GS, X-Tourer, Stelvio, eXplorer, Tenere   
Attributes:  Chunky, pillion-friendly, touring road-orientated, comfortable, low-maintenance, big-bore, shaft-drive

Segment:   Adventure-Sports
Vehicles:    MTS, Versys, SMT, Tiger 800
Attributes:  Decent ptw, well handling, sporting road-orientated, fairly comfortable, large engines, chain-drive

Segment:   Dual-Sport   
Vehicles:    Tiger 800 XC, F800GS, KLR650
Attributes:  Agile, genuine off-road in dry-weather on gravel / fire-roads ability, mid-size engines, chain-drive

Nb: The following stats are primarily based on manufacturer spec stats, except the R1200GS weight. There is a lot of argument regarding BMW's dry weight, kerb weight and road-ready with full tank weights. The figure I've used is based on one by a magazine claim they weighed it with a full tank. It seems credible, to me, as adding 25-30 kilo to it in 2013 (when it gets liquid cooling: radiator, water, hoses etc) would bring it in-line with the new bikes from Triumph and Honda.

Fortunately most manufacturers are moving towards quoting real-world black and white open figures for weight. I.e. road-ready including all fluids and full tank of fuel. Indeed when they start quoting power and torque at the rear wheel and publishing thrust curves through the gears, we who are interested in number analysis, will all be happy! For those manufacturers who do not do this I have calculated the weight of the litres they hold and added that to the manufacturers claims. Caveat: a) Sometimes they tell lies! ;-D b) numbers are no substitute for seat of the pants test rides, based on your own personal geometry and needs from your machine.

Displacement:

1200   eXplorer   
1200   GS   
1200   MTS   
1200   Stelvio   
1200   Tenere   
1200   X-Tourer   
1050   Versys   
990     SMT   
800     Tiger   
800     Tiger XC   

Cooling:

Liquid   eXplorer   
Liquid   MTS   
Liquid   SMT   
Liquid   Tenere   
Liquid   Tiger   
Liquid   Tiger XC   
Liquid   Versys   
Liquid   X-Tourer   
Air        GS   
Air        Stelvio

Drive:

Shaft   GS   
Shaft   eXplorer   
Shaft   Stelvio   
Shaft   Tenere   
Shaft   X-Tourer   
Chain   MTS   
Chain   SMT   
Chain   Tiger   
Chain   Tiger XC   
Chain   Versys   

Capacity (Fuel in Litres):

22   Tenere
21   X-Tourer
21   Versys
20   eXplorer
20   GS
20   MTS
19   SMT
19   Tiger
19   Tiger XC
18   Stelvio

Weight (kilo weights are for road-ready trim bikes. I.e. With battery, fluids and full fuel tanks):

275   X-Tourer
267   Tenere
260   eXplorer
251   Stelvio
246   GS12
239   Versys 1000
234   Multistrada
215   Tiger XC
212   SMT
210   Tiger

Horsepower (HP claimed @ crank):

148   MTS   
135   eXplorer   
127   X-Tourer   
116   Versys   
114   SMT   
110   GS   
110   Tenere   
105   Stelvio   
95     Tiger   
95     Tiger XC   

PTW HP (bhp per kilo, power-to-weight, ratios):

0.63   MTS
0.54   SMT
0.52   eXplorer
0.49   Versys 1000
0.46   X-Tourer
0.45   GS12
0.45   Tiger
0.44   Tiger XC
0.41   Tenere
0.42   Stelvio

Torque (lb.ft claimed @ crank):

92   X-Tourer
89   GS
89   eXplorer
87   MTS
84   Tenere
83   Stelvio
75   Versys
73   SMT
58   Tiger
58   Tiger XC

PTW Lb.ft (Lb.ft per kilo, power-to-weight, ratios):

0.37    MTS
0.36    GS
0.35    SMT
0.34    eXplorer
0.33    X-Tourer
0.33    Stelvio
0.31    Tenere
0.31    Versys
0.28    Tiger
0.27    Tiger XC

Standard Spec (U.S.):

ABS . TC . ES      MTS   
ABS . TC . CC      eXplorer   
ABS . TC            X-Tourer   
ABS . TC            Versys   
ABS . TC            Tenere   
ABS                  GS   
ABS                  SMT   
ABS                  Stelvio   
ABS                  Tiger (option)   
ABS                  Tiger XC (option)   

Price (U.S. *=tba guess):

$19,995     MTS   
$16,150     GS   
$15,995*   SMT   
$15,995*   eXplorer   
$15,995*   X-Tourer   
$14,990     Stelvio   
$14,500     Tenere   
$13,995*   Versys   
$11,799     Tiger XC (inc ABS)   
$10,799     Tiger (inc ABS)
« Last Edit: November 29, 2011, 01:50:50 AM by Captain Scarlet »

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Re: CrossTourer vs Competition (Differentiators / Stats)
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2011, 01:53:57 AM »
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Re: CrossTourer vs Competition (Differentiators / Stats)
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2011, 02:59:09 AM »
Wow, fame at last! Thanks Freaky!

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Re: CrossTourer vs Competition (Differentiators / Stats)
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2011, 07:59:54 AM »
Thanks captain very informativ ...  :028:
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Re: CrossTourer vs Competition (Differentiators / Stats)
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2011, 02:31:27 PM »
Thank you for posting. I have choose among those listed... Crosstourer! :)
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Re: CrossTourer vs Competition (Differentiators / Stats)
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2011, 01:28:46 AM »
I go with Gio....  :745:

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Re: CrossTourer vs Competition (Differentiators / Stats)
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2011, 03:12:26 AM »
I'm interested in moving to an Adventure-Tour, as I've termed it above, and I must admit that pre-release of the Honda and Triumph aside, the CrossTourer is currently ticking the most boxes for me.

On the less desirable side I can only think of the undeniable fair weight that detracts. This said I do bet that the figure Honda have quoted is gram accurate, compared with some of the clearly fictitious claims by some of it's closest competition. And if anyone knows something about mass centralisation...

On the chin smacking the floor side of things, the bits that instantly grab my attention are: prettiest looking, finish quality, component quality, V4 masterpiece, powerful, most torque, std exhaust looks nice (arrow can for fugly Triumph's one is very expensive), 'tubeless' spoked wheels, metallic and candy paints, LED indicators, shrouded clear clocks; and, well, I could go on...
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Re: CrossTourer vs Competition (Differentiators / Stats)
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2011, 08:23:51 AM »
*Originally Posted by Captain Scarlet [+]
...
On the less desirable side I can only think of the undeniable fair weight that detracts. This said I do bet that the figure Honda have quoted is gram accurate, compared with some of the clearly fictitious claims by some of it's closest competition. And if anyone knows something about mass centralisation...
....

 :158: I like your "chin smacking the floor" side of things. There is nothing else than Honda CroussTourer  :029:

On the weight issue you'd have to add 10kilo for the DCT option as well (I think a must have as this is another masterpiece of Honda engineering  :062: )  So that is.

Some thoughts on the weight: as you said it much depends on mass centralization and low center of gravity. I am pretty sure with Honda concept it will be as perfect as it could get.
But most important I think is the driver - thus YOU. If you got the experience, knowhow (and the guts) I bet you could chase even a heavy bike over a dirt road "race track" ... so to say - and in a limited way (of course never like on a CRF 450) ...
..... and if you have no experience dont try it on a 450 either  :087:

So for me the weight is a compromise of things and therefore pretty much acceptable for a "Adventure-Tourer". And I'm sure going to have some dirt roads ready for the beast  :029:
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